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#1 Dark Wizard

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:18 PM - 048361

when you think of the united states you think of the 50 states, the 13 stripes and the 50 stars on the American flag. What if there was 51? Would the complexion of the united states change? would you look at the USA differently? A link to a proposal for California to split into two states, making it the 51 states if it goes through.

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#2 United Martini

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:38 PM - 048362

I heard about this proposal. California is in a bad way, financially, somethings got to give. I'm open to the change in our flag's design; though it's going to be a pain to distribute all these "new" American flags all across the country. I do not envy the guy who has that job, haha.
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#3 Dark Wizard

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:39 PM - 048363

I think it is ridiculous it got this far, i know a town in Rhode island is also thinking about making their own state because of what is going on.
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Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:56 PM - 048364

Their will for the preservation of a way of life is noble. California really has its own unique culture; I'd hate it all to go belly up because of some silly financial difficulties. That town in Rhode Island may be going a bit far though.
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#5 Dark Wizard

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:59 PM - 048365

Their will for the preservation of a way of life is noble. California really has its own unique culture; I'd hate it all to go belly up because of some silly financial difficulties. That town in Rhode Island may be going a bit far though.

Poor budgeting all around is causing this, and its sad. Also Democrat Vs. Republican should not be a reason to form a new state, it is ruinging the already blemished face of america.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:06 AM - 048366

There is an extremely high possibility that Puerto Rico will become the 51st state in the next 10-20 years. Last year, 61% of Puerto Ricans voted for statehood. (the country votes each year) There are some legal things to be resolved before it can officially enter the Union.

 

 

Note: Puerto Rico's education system is sub par compared to the other 50 states and its crime rate is relatively high. There is no doubt this will hurt our already struggling socialist economy.


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#7 Dark Wizard

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:24 AM - 048367

There is an extremely high possibility that Puerto Rico will become the 51st state in the next 10-20 years. Last year, 61% of Puerto Ricans voted for statehood. (the country votes each year) There are some legal things to be resolved before it can officially enter the Union.

 

 

Note: Puerto Rico's education system is sub par compared to the other 50 states and its crime rate is relatively high. There is no doubt this will hurt our already struggling socialist economy.

Just wondering how and why you classify the United States as a socialist economy. While there are several aspects that might be socialistic, I think that anybody that regards them as unneeded is certainly misguided. The military, the highway system, the police department, the fire department, libraries, public lighting of streets, and the school system would all be lost if we were a truly capitalist economy. Everybody would fend for themselves, enjoy building your own roads to get to work or raising your own military to defend yourself. Socialism is needed in a limited sense, and that is the truth. To classify the US as a socialistic economy is totally off base in my opinion.


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#8 Mandystalin

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:53 PM - 048368

Before we end up in another 'Socialism is bad, mkay' discussion...

 

 

The USA has added new states fairly often, with no more change than a re-design of the national flag. Actually, that is not quite true. All previous new states have been new territory, adding land, resources and population to the USA. This proposal is simply a sub-division of a state, and appears to have arisen from political infighting rather than any actual reason. Nothing good would arise from this, and plenty of bad could (not least setting a precedent...)

 

But then I noticed that there have been over 220 previous attempts to split California into 2 States, and I relaxed. Just another Media-mountain out of a Reality-molehill


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#9 simman31

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:22 AM - 048369

Before we end up in another 'Socialism is bad, mkay' discussion...

 

 

The USA has added new states fairly often, with no more change than a re-design of the national flag. Actually, that is not quite true. All previous new states have been new territory, adding land, resources and population to the USA. This proposal is simply a sub-division of a state, and appears to have arisen from political infighting rather than any actual reason. Nothing good would arise from this, and plenty of bad could (not least setting a precedent...)

 

But then I noticed that there have been over 220 previous attempts to split California into 2 States, and I relaxed. Just another Media-mountain out of a Reality-molehill

This. Not to mention that congress has to approve to the new state, and well, with the way congress is going, nothing of importance is going to pass.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:21 AM - 0483610

There is an extremely high possibility that Puerto Rico will become the 51st state in the next 10-20 years. Last year, 61% of Puerto Ricans voted for statehood. (the country votes each year) There are some legal things to be resolved before it can officially enter the Union.

 

 

Note: Puerto Rico's education system is sub par compared to the other 50 states and its crime rate is relatively high. There is no doubt this will hurt our already struggling socialist economy.

Just wondering how and why you classify the United States as a socialist economy. While there are several aspects that might be socialistic, I think that anybody that regards them as unneeded is certainly misguided. The military, the highway system, the police department, the fire department, libraries, public lighting of streets, and the school system would all be lost if we were a truly capitalist economy. Everybody would fend for themselves, enjoy building your own roads to get to work or raising your own military to defend yourself. Socialism is needed in a limited sense, and that is the truth. To classify the US as a socialistic economy is totally off base in my opinion.

  In my book, having a state(government) run postal service, subsidized farms, government mandated health care, restrictions on big business, high taxation on wealthy, wellfare programs, child support programs, government grants, social security and other retirement pensions, disability pay, and more all show signs of a socialist country.


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#11 simman31

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 03:07 AM - 0483611

No offense, but that's piddly in comparison to what the United States doesn't control. There are practically no state run companies, low amounts of taxation in comparison to more socialistic countries, and well, those welfare programs honestly don't do that much in the way of income redistribution. Not to mention the fact that the US believes in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome, which is what socialists believe in. Honestly, the US isn't socialist, at most it's a mixed economy.


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#12 C2Talon

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:52 AM - 0483612

I thought California was already two states?


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:57 AM - 0483613

  In my book, having a state(government) run postal service, subsidized farms, government mandated health care, restrictions on big business, high taxation on wealthy, wellfare programs, child support programs, government grants, social security and other retirement pensions, disability pay, and more all show signs of a socialist country.

 

Unless the total tax revenue was 41.0% of the GDP (as is in Norway) then I doubt you are even close to start considering you might ever go near a socialist economy :P


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:03 PM - 0483614

 

There is an extremely high possibility that Puerto Rico will become the 51st state in the next 10-20 years. Last year, 61% of Puerto Ricans voted for statehood. (the country votes each year) There are some legal things to be resolved before it can officially enter the Union.

 

 

Note: Puerto Rico's education system is sub par compared to the other 50 states and its crime rate is relatively high. There is no doubt this will hurt our already struggling socialist economy.

Just wondering how and why you classify the United States as a socialist economy. While there are several aspects that might be socialistic, I think that anybody that regards them as unneeded is certainly misguided. The military, the highway system, the police department, the fire department, libraries, public lighting of streets, and the school system would all be lost if we were a truly capitalist economy. Everybody would fend for themselves, enjoy building your own roads to get to work or raising your own military to defend yourself. Socialism is needed in a limited sense, and that is the truth. To classify the US as a socialistic economy is totally off base in my opinion.

  In my book, having a state(government) run postal service, subsidized farms, government mandated health care, restrictions on big business, high taxation on wealthy, wellfare programs, child support programs, government grants, social security and other retirement pensions, disability pay, and more all show signs of a socialist country.

The postal service was mandated in the constitution when it was signed by our founding fathers, therefore I hardly consider that socialism and restriction, plus there are private mail firms, its an option not a requirement, There is a difference between restrictions and socialism, I never have claimed that the US is a total capitalist economy, but certainly not socialist. 


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:59 PM - 0483615

Well this would be very different but also kinda cool and we could also grow larger as well.


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:51 PM - 0483616

 

There is an extremely high possibility that Puerto Rico will become the 51st state in the next 10-20 years. Last year, 61% of Puerto Ricans voted for statehood. (the country votes each year) There are some legal things to be resolved before it can officially enter the Union.

 

 

Note: Puerto Rico's education system is sub par compared to the other 50 states and its crime rate is relatively high. There is no doubt this will hurt our already struggling socialist economy.

Just wondering how and why you classify the United States as a socialist economy. While there are several aspects that might be socialistic, I think that anybody that regards them as unneeded is certainly misguided. The military, the highway system, the police department, the fire department, libraries, public lighting of streets, and the school system would all be lost if we were a truly capitalist economy. Everybody would fend for themselves, enjoy building your own roads to get to work or raising your own military to defend yourself. Socialism is needed in a limited sense, and that is the truth. To classify the US as a socialistic economy is totally off base in my opinion.

  In my book, having a state(government) run postal service, subsidized farms, government mandated health care, restrictions on big business, high taxation on wealthy, wellfare programs, child support programs, government grants, social security and other retirement pensions, disability pay, and more all show signs of a socialist country.

 

I never thought of Australia as a socialist country ...

 

It is a sad result of Obama's presidency, or perhaps it's a circumstance of his presidency, that America is or appears to be even more divided that it has been in recent history. I don't know if it's the news outlets just exaggerating things, as is their wont, but it's unfortunate that a man who originally ran on a theme of post-partisanship has, as leader, seen his nation more sharply divided.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 12:15 AM - 0483617

I heard about this proposal. California is in a bad way, financially, somethings got to give. I'm open to the change in our flag's design; though it's going to be a pain to distribute all these "new" American flags all across the country. I do not envy the guy who has that job, haha.


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