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#1 oddsox

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 03:13 AM - 090371

So they didn't indict this guy, who shot an unarmed kid several times. What ever happened to tasers? Cant we use tasers and not bullets? All of this could have been easily avoided if that guy was smarter and used a taser or just told him to go away, he had no right stopping him them shooting him. Now there are riots in New York and Ferguson. Seems like you can get away with anything in the US these days. 


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#2 lonzomac

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 03:52 AM - 090372

Well Oddsox, we're in a covert form of dictatorship at the moment so police officers and military can do as they wish to anyone at any time without fear of serious repercussions. At worst he'll get fired there and move two states over to get another cop job.
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#3 Dark Wizard

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 04:35 AM - 090373

The results of the indictment trial were appalling and sad, but that said, the response has been absolutely unacceptable. It is not acceptable, or even legal to protest in the violent manner that has been going about. Every fiber of my being wanted officer Wilson to get charged with a crime, but the failure of such thing to happen does not justify the destruction of property and violent acts. Such actions only trap our society in a perpetual state of violence, something none of us want. 


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#4 Gandorian

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 04:52 AM - 090374

From what I've read, the first shots fired were actually shot in the car as Michael Brown's blood was found in the car. Additionally, the autopsy showed that one of Browns gunshot wounds was at close range, which could corroborate a struggle in the car. Add the wounds the cop had, and it seems as though Brown did attack the cop in the car before being shot repeatedly later in the street. I do not have all the facts, as the GJ did, but regardless...this a sad situation all the way around.


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#5 Aurelius

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 05:23 AM - 090375

As an outsider, it's very complicated but ultimately sad to me.


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#6 oddsox

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 05:57 AM - 090376

Well Oddsox, we're in a covert form of dictatorship at the moment so police officers and military can do as they wish to anyone at any time without fear of serious repercussions. At worst he'll get fired there and move two states over to get another cop job.

Honestly, I think someone is going to see him in public one day and gun him down. That's just how America operates.


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#7 lonzomac

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 06:19 AM - 090377

Well I thought someone would've killed Zimmerman by now too, so we'll just have to see.Also I'm with DW on the actions of so called protesters. They make geniune protesters look bad and make their communities worse rather than better. It's the same thing that happened after the grand jury failed to indict the LAPD cops that beat up Rodney King. People use some people's legitimate gripes to carry out a few hours of lawlessness.
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Posted 25 November 2014 - 06:20 AM - 090378

There are two sides of the story... both sides have facts that back each story up.  I don't see how you can really make a decision of what happened.  That being said it is a tragic event although I am a little biased towards the officer and am happy that he was cleared.


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 10:49 AM - 090379

Not being American this isn't a story I'm familiar with - I'm guessing it is another 'young man got shot when maybe he shouldn't' event?

 

I'm also guessing it will be end up simply used as more fuel for both sides of the gun laws argument  <headwall>

 

Also I'm with DW on the actions of so called protesters. They make geniune protesters look bad and make their communities worse rather than better. 

Absolutely, much like the London riots we had a few years back - Started out as a genuine peaceful protest (about a similar event IIRC), which then got hijacked and turned into full-scale riots and looting.


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 11:26 AM - 0903710

Personally I don't believe this shooting was racially motivated at all. I think there was an incident and the officer did probably feel threatened and thus should be given the benefit of the doubt. It is true though that officers in the US can be trigger easy. However, if everyone obeyed officers and did not taunt, assault or disobey their orders life would be a lot easier. They have a very stressful job and need to do what they feel is necessary within reasonable means to ensure their safety. 

 

In terms of the riots, I think people have misunderstood and believe the shooting was racially motivated etc. so while I disagree with the meaning behind this particular riot I am in favour of riots and find them to be almost beautiful in a twisted kind of way. Nothing greater than a group of people coming together and fighting for their beliefs. The fact that they are so affected and touched by this incident that they would risk injury/being arrested speaks miles about the American spirit and I find it inspirational tbh. People over there seem to be a lot more courageous and driven than over here in Australia. I hate this complacent and apathetic attitude here. Americans on the otherhand are willing to fight for their beliefs etc as they have always done. When the law "fails" them, they will not tolerate it and will rebel against authority. Perhaps what I admire is that it's close to anarchy but at the end of the day humanity shines through and people work together for a common purpose.

 

Anyway, I know a lot of you will disagree with me but as a non American I really admire the American culture; even the violent aspects to the point where I find it inspirational. After all America was born from violence and it has become a part of the American psyche. Not necessarily a bad thing at all. Maybe I have a bias though as I have a dream of becoming a US Marine.  :P


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 12:39 PM - 0903711

They (the looters and vandals) are simply opportunists using the tragedy for self-gain. It makes absolutely no sense to destroy the community around them. Peaceful protests can be an excellent tool, but this is terrible.


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 03:27 PM - 0903712

Personally I don't believe this shooting was racially motivated at all. I think there was an incident and the officer did probably feel threatened and thus should be given the benefit of the doubt. It is true though that officers in the US can be trigger easy. However, if everyone obeyed officers and did not taunt, assault or disobey their orders life would be a lot easier. They have a very stressful job and need to do what they feel is necessary within reasonable means to ensure their safety. 

Enough said.


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#13 TankKiller

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 03:38 PM - 0903713

I don't know much about this situation, but I've seen plenty of valid protests become derailed and demonised by the actions of an either an angry and violent or simply destructive minority. I know it's incredibly frustrating for the original protesters as much as it is frustrating for anyone else, because it can serious damage the credibility of the message they were trying to send.

I think in any situation like this, it's important to consider what the original protesters were saying, and to see it as their message vs the one they're opposing, and to not see the rioters as part of the equation in ensuing discussions.


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#14 Dark Wizard

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 05:45 PM - 0903714

The thing that gets me was that this was an indictment, not a trial. In 2010, the most recent year where data can be collected, there were over 120,000 cases brought before grand jury  and only 11  yes ELEVEN did not get an indictment. There was an immense amount of pressure put on this grand jury and they acted like a trial jury. No matter what side you are on in regards to this issue, it is clear there was enough evidence and reasonable doubt to force a trial. This guy got off without as much as a trial for shooting an unarmed teenager 6 times. The details are sketchy, and that is what a trial jury is for, unfortunately they will never get that chance. The job of a grand jury is to decide if there is sufficient evidence for a formal trial. People have been indicted on significantly less than a a bullet ridden corpse. Don't get me wrong, I'm  not saying this guy was guilty, I'm simply saying he should have gotten a trial and the trial jury should have decided his fate. The saying always goes "You will get you day in court", well apparently that doesn't apply in this case. For reference, there is about a .00009% that a person is not indicted of a crime when brought before a grand jury. 


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 05:48 PM - 0903715

If one country systematically oppresses a group of people-- expect violence. Just look at the French revolution, Israel-Palestine, or even the American Revolution. 

 

I'm not saying it's a good thing, but don't be surprised. 


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 08:09 PM - 0903716

Well Luke, I served in the USMC almost 10 years and speaking out of experience in a combat zone, you're there to eliminate threats to be sure but you're also trained to know when deadly force is authorized and justified. LEO's have many tools and are supposed to be well trained to handle situations with the least amount of damage possible. Even if this officer was attacked, the perp was unarmed so he could've used non lethal measures to contain the situation. If someone fears an unarmed person to the point they feel their lives are in danger, then they need another job because that's not how professionals are expected to handle themselves. All cops aren't bad to be sure, but in this case (and several others that aren't widely publicized) the officer violated several points of protocol and used lethal force that was totally unnecessary. Sure they have to protect themselves and sure people should obey the laws. Most police these days are the youngsters that went overseas after the war was basically over and now they're back here thinking they can bully Americans around the same way when we have different rights and rules. Put shortly, if you're so afraid of being hurt that you have to shoot everyone, you're a coward and you shouldn't own a firearm.
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Posted 25 November 2014 - 08:39 PM - 0903717

Well Luke, I served in the USMC almost 10 years and speaking out of experience in a combat zone, you're there to eliminate threats to be sure but you're also trained to know when deadly force is authorized and justified. LEO's have many tools and are supposed to be well trained to handle situations with the least amount of damage possible. Even if this officer was attacked, the perp was unarmed so he could've used non lethal measures to contain the situation. If someone fears an unarmed person to the point they feel their lives are in danger, then they need another job because that's not how professionals are expected to handle themselves. All cops aren't bad to be sure, but in this case (and several others that aren't widely publicized) the officer violated several points of protocol and used lethal force that was totally unnecessary. Sure they have to protect themselves and sure people should obey the laws. Most police these days are the youngsters that went overseas after the war was basically over and now they're back here thinking they can bully Americans around the same way when we have different rights and rules. Put shortly, if you're so afraid of being hurt that you have to shoot everyone, you're a coward and you shouldn't own a firearm.

 

Yeah, the officer sounds like me when I play SWAT 4. 

 

I'm supposed to only point my weapon at the old grandma and tell her to get on the ground, but instead I get a little trigger happy and accidentally shoot her in the face. Good thing that only points are deducted at the end of the mission. 

 

tl;dr I shouldn't be a cop


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 09:06 PM - 0903718

Well Luke, I served in the USMC almost 10 years and speaking out of experience in a combat zone, you're there to eliminate threats to be sure but you're also trained to know when deadly force is authorized and justified. LEO's have many tools and are supposed to be well trained to handle situations with the least amount of damage possible. Even if this officer was attacked, the perp was unarmed so he could've used non lethal measures to contain the situation. If someone fears an unarmed person to the point they feel their lives are in danger, then they need another job because that's not how professionals are expected to handle themselves. All cops aren't bad to be sure, but in this case (and several others that aren't widely publicized) the officer violated several points of protocol and used lethal force that was totally unnecessary. Sure they have to protect themselves and sure people should obey the laws. Most police these days are the youngsters that went overseas after the war was basically over and now they're back here thinking they can bully Americans around the same way when we have different rights and rules. Put shortly, if you're so afraid of being hurt that you have to shoot everyone, you're a coward and you shouldn't own a firearm.

 
Yeah, the officer sounds like me when I play SWAT 4. 
 
I'm supposed to only point my weapon at the old grandma and tell her to get on the ground, but instead I get a little trigger happy and accidentally shoot her in the face. Good thing that only points are deducted at the end of the mission. 
 
tl;dr I shouldn't be a cop

"accidentally" Freddy? Lol. I "accidentally" dropped a smoke grenade in an Iraqi hut once because we were looking for the guys nephew who just happened to be in their refrigerator. :D Sounds like the grandma on the game is a threat to your authoritay, I'd gun her down too.
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Posted 25 November 2014 - 10:42 PM - 0903719

 

 

Well Luke, I served in the USMC almost 10 years and speaking out of experience in a combat zone, you're there to eliminate threats to be sure but you're also trained to know when deadly force is authorized and justified. LEO's have many tools and are supposed to be well trained to handle situations with the least amount of damage possible. Even if this officer was attacked, the perp was unarmed so he could've used non lethal measures to contain the situation. If someone fears an unarmed person to the point they feel their lives are in danger, then they need another job because that's not how professionals are expected to handle themselves. All cops aren't bad to be sure, but in this case (and several others that aren't widely publicized) the officer violated several points of protocol and used lethal force that was totally unnecessary. Sure they have to protect themselves and sure people should obey the laws. Most police these days are the youngsters that went overseas after the war was basically over and now they're back here thinking they can bully Americans around the same way when we have different rights and rules. Put shortly, if you're so afraid of being hurt that you have to shoot everyone, you're a coward and you shouldn't own a firearm.

 
Yeah, the officer sounds like me when I play SWAT 4. 
 
I'm supposed to only point my weapon at the old grandma and tell her to get on the ground, but instead I get a little trigger happy and accidentally shoot her in the face. Good thing that only points are deducted at the end of the mission. 
 
tl;dr I shouldn't be a cop

"accidentally" Freddy? Lol. I "accidentally" dropped a smoke grenade in an Iraqi hut once because we were looking for the guys nephew who just happened to be in their refrigerator. :D Sounds like the grandma on the game is a threat to your authoritay, I'd gun her down too.

 

 

In my defense, all her screaming when I bust through her porch door unannounced made me feel threatened. I mean jeez, why would grandma scream if she wasn't cooking meth?


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Posted 25 November 2014 - 11:16 PM - 0903720

LMMFAO! I'm gonna have to check it out.
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