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Tank we can go on and on about this there are so many other things to be worrying about and yet because you saw we had another shooting your going to front the one and great powerful america. So many things we have that your country doesn't and one of them is power on the international level. Why you focus on our internal issues is beyond me, yea we have an issue to overcome but that's nothing new. We have countries trying to get couped and others cities being seized by IS. Does that worry you since its much more closer to home?

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Just tells me we need more guns.  all honesty its not the "guns" that is the issues the bad guys will have them one way or the other. I'm not seeing a gun ban really keeping guns out of criminals hell bent on killing peoples hands. So the idea is not getting guns out of law abiding people its getting them out of criminals hands. or just like in Idaho have everyone have a gun then once the bullets start flying we fire right back.

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Power on the international level means the US should be looked up to, aspired to. Unless it gets its own house in order, how can it be expected to lead from the front?

 

Increased gun control is not going to end shootings, it will not end gun crime. In Australia, we still have gun crime. We still have shootings.

 

Case in point: 

Today in the news I learned, a civilian member of the police force, an IT specialist, was shot and killed as they left a police headquarters building in Sydney. 

Officers responded, and the 15 year old shooter was also killed.

 
However there are huge differences.
  1. Gun crime is RARE in Australia.
  2. In almost all cases, weapons are wielded by 'common' criminals, with almost no actual SHOOTING involved at all. 
  3. Most shootings are between rival criminal gangs.
  4. Indiscriminate shootings have LOWER CASUALTIES.

I could go on, but I feel the above is enough to make you think/wonder/consider, if you are willing to consider the facts. If you're not, then I doubt anything would move you.

 

Its almost as if the US places a lower value on human life...and its just so fucking sad!

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"Power on the international level means the US should be looked up to, aspired to. Unless it gets its own house in order, how can it be expected to lead from the front?"

 

​The best of nations have there own issues, Not to mention the problem isn't guns is these people who make these decisions. Austrailia i believe has its own fatal flaws plenty to work on there. 

 

And to say the US places the value of life so low is pretty bullshitty coming form soneone who doesnt know the struggle of being in the U.S knowing what we face daily and not to mention have way more on our plate than any other country to exists. That's a fact. We have had internal after internal issue and yet in the end we find a solution we come together and we fucking show you how its done. Because that's how americans come together in a world of freedom. But then again it is pretty humorous when people criticize the U.S when countries like Australia don't have half of our populus ;)

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I don't think there is any humour in any of this :/

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To be honest tank I can see how someone may get offended by how casually you bring up such a delicate subject.  

 

But yea, we do have a problem with violence in this country.  I classify myself as a 2nd Amendment supporter but unlike the NRA I have common sense.  There are many common sense proposals (strengthening background checks, for example) that could possibly help stem this surge in violence or at the very least prohibit the access of firearms to unstable individuals.  Alas we're not gonna see any actions done because its our government... the king of inaction.  

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I don't think there is any humour in any of this :/

Not the subject being humorous but how people can be so subjunctive of my country and bash it to death.

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I don't think there is any humour in any of this :/

Not the subject being humorous but how people can be so subjunctive of my country and bash it to death.

 

It is my right to bash my country on its bad aspects.

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xD

 

I'm pretty sure we're all on the same 'side' here, because we all want to see these events stop, and not just in the US.

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When people in the U.S or outside of the U.S dare bash the name i have a responsibility to, no a duty, to do everything in my power and will to defend it, with the respect it deserves.

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Exactly what gun law would have prevented the recent mass shootings that would have been constitutional?

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Exactly what gun law would have prevented the recent mass shootings that would have been constitutional?

 

A good point, maybe it's the constitution that needs to be looked at, or at least its interpretation/s?

 

I think Australia is a good example, where people can still own (some) guns, so long as they follow the rules.

 

That doesn't mean 'bad guys' can't get guns illegally, but it makes it a lot harder, and narrows what is available.

 

We don't just encourage responsible gun ownership, its legally required; and while no law is perfect, there is no denying its success.

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When people in the U.S or outside of the U.S dare bash the name i have a responsibility to, no a duty, to do everything in my power and will to defend it, with the respect it deserves.

 

I'm not bashing the US, I'm an outside observer to these tragedies, and I want to see change.

 

The US is far from perfect, and you know what, that's fine. Australia isn't perfect either. We'll always face issues, but if people were less precious about perceived slights, and more interested in discussion, then we could all try to make progress!

 

I'll stand by what I said at the top, emotionally charged and everything, because why should we hide our feelings from our friends?

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Nothing is wrong with all of the above but when others (not you directly) do nothing but always sit there and show what is wrong with the world or anything in general its a bit unneeded when you can shed some light on dark situations.

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If I'm correct Aloysius, Australia does not have a Bill of Right's as we do here in the U.S. It's clearly the foundation of our society. The Second Amendment has been looked at many times by SCOTUS (The Supreme Court) in many court decisions. To amend the U.S. Constitution (let alone one of the first ten amendments) would be extremely difficult and simply would not have enough support. That being said, we do allow for states to make their own laws regarding firearm restrictions, but all law abiding citizens (other than mentally ill) have a constitutional right to own a gun. Personally, I believe in a sensible approach and do agree with some gun restrictions.

One item to note is that the UK has more violent crime than does the US, and yet the UK has extremely strict gun laws. 

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If I'm correct Aloysius, Australia does not have a Bill of Right's as we do here in the U.S. It's clearly the foundation of our society. The Second Amendment has been looked at many times by SCOTUS (The Supreme Court) in many court decisions. To amend the U.S. Constitution (let alone one of the first ten amendments) would be extremely difficult and simply would not have enough support. That being said, we do allow for states to make their own laws regarding firearm restrictions, but all law abiding citizens (other than mentally ill) have a constitutional right to own a gun. Personally, I believe in a sensible approach and do agree with some gun restrictions.

One item to note is that the UK has more violent crime than does the US, and yet the UK has extremely strict gun laws.

 

I agree, changing the bill of rights is not going to happen, basically impossible to pass.

 

I think one of the flaws of having states decide what gun laws they should have is that a person can just go to another state with much looser gun restrictions to get a weapon they shouldn't have. A resident of Rhode Island can go to one of the neighboring states easily without problems and get a firearm. (I only used Rhode Island because of its size as a state.)

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Exactly what gun law would have prevented the recent mass shootings that would have been constitutional?

Reading the second half of the sentence and tying gun ownership to being within a well-regulated militia ;)

 

Overall though, the gun situation in the USA is too far along to change quickly. Too many guns, too ingrained in the culture

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"Welcome to the Land of Shootings"

 

The saloons may be gone, but the wild west-mentality still remains.

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I think its also a matter of responsibility for people who own guns.  You can't just throw your gun in a closet and call it a day, or any other example for that matter.  You have to store it properly...especially if you are not the only one in the house. 

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